Speaker 1 0:15
Yo, yo, yo, what's going on man? Welcome to lease token, I'm so glad you're here. Okay, this is like one of those moments. I got to sit down with John Gordon. If you don't know John Gordon, this guy was one of the front runners of the positive psychology movement a long time ago, outside of personal development, told me a bunch of freaking words, like asked me, you know, I don't want positive psychology. I don't want to don't worry, I felt like a spiritual awakening. And he just wants to call the one truth is really all about the gospel message through a lens of connectedness, in relationship and basically attending in I'm sorry, abandoning this sort of isolated to live separate lifestyles that have fostered in Western culture and embracing the life of oneness with god of connecting us with God. It is a phenomenal book is phenomenal resource. And this was a fantastic interview. To give you an idea of who this guy is okay, if you want to join, then it will cost us $75,000 Okay, this guy shoulders with John Maxwell's and Patrick Lencioni. He's gonna be talking Craig Groeschel podcast as he was on my last podcast and he's a bit of an advisor to him at times. We're talking about somebody who's highly regarded coaches and consults for a majority of the major professional sports teams in North America, NBA NFL, Major League Baseball and the NHL. This guy is prolific. He's profound and little old me I had a chance to sit down with him. His assistant would only give us 30 minutes they would only give us 30 Minutes interview I said no problem. This interview probably went on for about 40 John was enjoying it so much. He stuck around after the interview we stuck around for another 15 minutes. He's a super phenomenal guy, incredibly client. But that's that's what he is. This message though, guys, the way he was able to integrate his message into the addiction recovery process is like nothing we've ever had on the show before. So you're in for a real treat, not just you're gonna listen somebody who's world class and he's crap, but somebody whose message is imperative for you to listen, if you're in the recovery journey, so I know you're gonna be blessed by this. I'm so proud of this interview. I'm gonna give myself a little pat on the back that we got to interview on his caliber. This is the first of many more to come into his face. You know, we're gonna just break things with the show, especially the way you guys have been sharing it and spread the word. We appreciate it. Please keep that up. But in the meantime, enjoy my interview with John Gordon. So here's the million dollar question. How are men like us who work hard have good motives and a God given purpose to fulfill the calling on our lives and the dreams in our hearts? Or establishing sexual integrity, live in relationships and a meaningful connection with God? That is the question and this podcast will give you the answers. My name is VSM Welcome to at least
Speaker 1 2:19
Alright, well I'm here with the legendary job board and author of The One Truth and so many other incredible books as well. John, thanks for your time today that man so good to be with you. So you got a really good message. This is quite different, I would say for some of your other stuff, along with the leadership and team the positivity and mindset but you really went for I would say much more spiritual anchor kind of message in this book pocket about the one truth Can you unpack for us because some of the inspiration behind this book in the first place? Well, the
Speaker 2 2:39
interesting thing is we think about teamwork and think about leadership that one shoot is actually the power the understanding behind all of that because what does a leader do? Bringing people together to treat one that's one is sufficient one has a purpose. One is have the same goal. Dabo Sweeney was the coach of Texas University football, wrote a great quote for the book. He said his goal as a coach is to create oneness and oneness of mission and when there's a focus and to get his team to be one united team. So once you understand that you can see how Okay, oneness. And separateness played out in everything. Am I separate? Am I divided like this connected, and there'll be weak What am I connected, United one and when I'm that way, I am powerful. So you can see how that plays out in terms of oneness and separateness, in terms of everything in our life also, including our our mental health, our mental sleep, you go from oneness, to separateness, when you are not feeling very positive, you actually go towards negativity positive to negative all mental health disorders, reports, feelings of being alone and isolated and disconnected. So you can see how that plays out as well. And then the roots of the Greek word of anxious means to separate and divide. So when you're anxious, you feel separate. And you feel divided. You don't feel once you feel weak, and you feel powerless. So you do things to try to give you a sense of power. And that's where addictions come in. And other forms of trying to reach for oneness. Where have you experienced the feeling of oneness? And you try to do it in all sorts of ways, but they all leave you feeling empty because you're really longing for the oneness that you want the oneness that you see and also really the ones that you are well I thought the one truth because the truth is, you are one not separate and when you know the truth, and you see the lie, that you've become so much more powerful in this world, so a lot of the banter but that's nothing that I wrote before is like this is really cool, right? 20 books, there's like 28 and expecting one thing and I had the greatest compliment I got an email the other day. Hey, John, got your book, I thought was gonna be like your other books like okay, here's John's book on positivity or some sort of positive angle, like his other books, and I read it and I was like, wow, and I love it. So so at least people who have experienced in the past my other books in terms of positivity, still releasing this book as well.
Speaker 1 4:24
But the timing is significant, in my opinion, because I think we are more isolated, more lonely and disconnected really than ever before, which is kind of ironic, because people want to be this what you said about one, like don't separate, like look at all these people I interact with look at all the messages on social media. I feel like we get a lot of fake connection that kind of exacerbates that feeling of being lonely and isolated. It's my addictions are on the rise. Anxiety is on the rise. My goodness, that's an epidemic and of itself. I think people people need to be familiar with like, Okay, I know what I'm isolated or I don't want it lonely, but people are probably people listening, I would say you, myself included who hear the word oneness that are going, What are you talking about? Like? Is that just having things in common or you get along? There's no conflict or what exactly does it mean to be one with someone else, let alone with your living God?
Unknown Speaker 4:58
Last two big questions. Do they explain at a deep level
Unknown Speaker 5:00
you have a really deep, let's go for it.
Speaker 2 5:02
You are a soul. And you have a spirit, your spirit and a soul your soul gives you your sense of self like your soul is who you are, is why you experience yourself as separate from other people. You also have the spirit and other people have a Spirit and God has a spirit guided spirit. That's why we're meeting the likeness and image of God. We have a spirit that's made in the likeness and image of God's Spirit. And so when your spirit and God's Spirit are one, you become one spirit. Corinthians 617 says he was joined in the Lord is one spirit with him. And so as you join to your Creator and are connected to your creator, you are one with the Creator and you're meant to be one with your credit. You're not meant to be separate. You're meant to be one Spirit. And that's when you find your power like when we are surrendering and play it and trusting and practicing gratitude, we move closer and closer towards that one spirit and feeling connected to God. And so that's what it means. Now in other other traditions in the term Namaste, which means the spirit of me recognizes the spirit in you. It's basically saying the Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit, and we are recognizing the spirit of each other but the soul gives you a sense of self and yes, a sense of separateness, but at the spirit level, you're one and what makes you you. He's got a spirit, a soul, and it's like the different elements and not the same thing. But they formed together to create just like there's hydrogen and oxygen, different elements, but when brought together they make water and so your soul Your Spirit makes you and so when you are connected to a creator, your spirit is joined with God's Spirit when you're connecting to others, a couple of transits 99% of couples who pray together, stay together. Instead, be present, go to church, stay together. It's the same as non church in church. So it's not the church that makes you have a stronger relationship. It's the prayer together. And why is that? Because if you're praying with your spouse, and you're praying with God, all your spirits are becoming one spirit and you're aligned with that spirit, and there's so much power in that one spirit and feeling that spirit what did Jesus say Jesus said that you are the vinaigrette branch apart from you can do nothing. If you remain in me that we're going to do you will produce much fruit he's basically saying about oneness coming together as one not separate but one and there's there's only different scriptures that actually talk about oneness and connecting to that oneness. So that's a really means to be one but it from a spiritual standpoint. If you will get a physical like your physical body that can merge with another physical body, but you think about it, your body is just energy and your skin is just energy when you die. Your body your skin just turns to dust. So what are you really your spirit and soul and your energetic being within an energetic reality? So if you can actually get your body to vibrate fast enough, you'd actually then just be this higher vibration of who you are just like water turns to steam. It's now deeper instead of an illiquid substance and obviously, it vibrates even slower it's ice. And so we have this element within us which is energetic beings. And so I would say the Spirit the soul is the highest form of our vibration or energy, or shell our skin is a solar vibration, but at the deepest level of our souls, that our spirits connect to other souls and other spirits at the deep spiritual level. And that's what it means. So that's why when you're connecting with other human being, you're having a great relationship or a great conversation. The love that you have for each other starts to merge your spirits together. And even the biological level research Heart Math shows that as two people are having a connection, their hearts actually start to synchronize together as one, and so again, very deep to share that. But if you really understand the nature of our reality, it makes so much more sense that you look at another human being like, oh, no, we just saw you in games. And this is a physical world and there's no energy behind anything. You can see that or think that you're actually just believing the lie, but so many people go through this life in this world, believing the lie, that they are separate that everything is physical, that there's nothing to this energetic reality, and that when you die, you turn to dust and this is all that there is. But if you really understand the nature of reality, everything I say in the winter, it makes so much more sense but it is the truth so that's why it makes sense.
Speaker 1 8:19
Yeah, I couldn't agree more and it's just get people to help you look all this is that the trigger you put it in first Corinthians six, where the word it says join Ricky has joined is joined to the spirit record there, it means to glue. Wow, it's like it's so together that it's flawless. You can't tell one apart from the other. And that's like first things I studied inside, you know, because we're dealing with sexual addictions with our work and it talks a lot about that and that that will call it up you just and it's so it's so critical. So I guess on the other side, why is it that like I've heard you say you talked about how when you live in one is you don't live in fear, right? You live in love? What do you want? One is you're anxious about the future in the moment. Can you elaborate on some of these things? Because you're talking to an audience who has these behavioral patterns that they want to eliminate, typically of a sexual nature. And it's very clear to me one this is obviously part of the solution. That's a huge thing we emphasize. You probably wouldn't know this. But there's there's a little phrase in the addiction world which is that instead of addiction is not sobriety gets connected. Or you can substitute while in the center right? Like it's one isn't that deep flush kind of connection. So for someone who's listening to this and say, Hey, John, I gotta you know, I'm living separate. I'm living in my own world here. I know that I'm not actually connected. I'm not experiencing oneness. Are there different dimensions to this? Is there a kind of oneness within yourself becoming old versus versus your relationship with God? Are they all interconnected? How does somebody go about maybe trying to work this out a bit more done?
Speaker 2 9:19
If they're all connected, everything is connected. And so when you're connected to God, or started that oneness with God, you actually start to care about the one and the more you're unite and connect to God, you feel more whole, who really, when you're separate from God, you recognize you have a hole in your soul, each allele, and that hole is what a wound and the wound is what separateness you think about the skin, tightening the skin, there's a separation of the skin, he was willing to come home again. And so I really wanted to go from wholeness through the journey of life and separation and trauma experiences that actually make us feel more and more separate. And then we have these wounds of events that we had in our lives and the trauma that we've experienced, and that wound and predicts actually even at the neurological level in schizophrenia is a separation skill. So the separation of the brain say bipolar two colors that united with separate we have all these different terminologies that we talked about, as we move away from from oneness with separateness, we get more and more dysfunctional and we have more mental health issues, until you can see how this plays out as we become more and more wholeness. And because we feel more connected to God, that starts to heal as it renews us as our mind. It renews our soul in our being so we're gonna say five, six days a month by the flesh will lead to the death among them by the spirit it leads to life and peace. To me, that's everything right there. The fact that is your soul, which is the integrator, someone's the integrator between the flesh, in the spirit, and the flesh and spirit are at odds with each other. So you will be by the flesh, the addiction, that tensive that we're living by the Spirit, if we will, peace, the spirit is renewing your mind. It is making your mind home unhealthy is the nourishing your soul is giving you restoration. If you're being given by the flesh, that's actually temporary relief. That is about restoring you, maybe giving you relief, but eventually more than for pain and shame, and guilt and dysfunction. And we see more and more wounding more and more separation. So you can see how that plays out. Let's say five, six is just genius. It's so fluid. It's so true. It's really right. All right in the middle. If you wait between the odds and let you know, okay, am I like a little like separation or oneness in my life in the flesh. So there are different elements to this and different levels. And then if you look at someone who's going through a tough time or an addiction, you can see how that wound is causing them to act in such a way where they feel separate, and because they feel separate again, the gap between oneness and separateness, because you don't feel one you got to kind of steal to get with things that make you feel better. They give you relief, but they're cheap substitutes for what you really longed for, and truly want and need. So addicts are actually spiritual seekers in many ways. They really want relationship with that. They really want that connection to God commit they're feeling with all these things that don't give them connection. They think it's going to work because I'm temporary relief. But it makes them feel worse and worse over time. Think about social media, you're thinking social media, and it gives you a temporary relief and you're using it, but then you're left feeling empty, and alone and isolated. When you're done with it. It's a temporary, it's a temporary relief. The same thing with pornography. You get into the porn and you look at it even though you know you really shouldn't be those of you but you do it to give you temporary relief, but doesn't restore you. And then you still mourn with guilt and shame, the more you do it, but it's like a drug to keep returning to it. Expect it to feel better. That's exciting because you expect it to change but it doesn't mean that you keep doing it and then it leads you to feeling worse and worse and worse. But all addictions is pretty much the same in terms of the root cause they all are the root of feeling separate and not one and then try to fill that gap that hole in our soul with things that will never feel like you have a god sized home. When we got consent. Everyone does I have you have one. Everyone listening has one only God can feel it. You can't now in terms of community, and connection with digit programs. As we move towards that separation towards other people. We start to heal because now we're around other people. We're around community and in a loving relationship relational psychology shows that you heal in a loving relationship that does help you heal but why because we're moving from separation towards oneness, which connection which starts the healing process but it doesn't involve the ultimate healing like it helps you heal because you're moving away from from self towards others which is helpful. Same thing with self love. Self love is helpful, because instead of self loathing, you're now self loving, which is gonna help you heal because you feel separate. So it's gonna continue, you're moving toward wholeness and healing, but it's up to you fully there. You can't replace the God that will heal on your soul. With community you need both. So God helps you but it can't do the ultimate act of healing that only God can do and they only understand that and so that's why for instance, with addiction programs, those who believe in a higher power are very helpful, right? And we find that that helps them move towards healing as long as they're moving away from self with a greater power that's connected them to a greater power. Okay, that's very helpful. But can you hear with a stranger? Asking a loving relationship with God is just some higher power but it's not a personal God. And God is a stranger indicate he'll has to be a personal God has to be a God that loves you, a god that's that gives you a guy with his relationship. The creator of the universe wants a relationship with you. And in that relationship with you wants to take a hole in your soul and make you whole who really and as you become whole you experience His Holiness because when you're now one with God and connected to his spirit and your spirit, you will become holy because his nature becomes your nature. His love becomes your new love because you become one spirit one nature and in that oneness, what happens is then the renewing sustain plus the healing takes place, the restoration takes place. And that's what we have to make time for prayer and surrender and connection with our Creator and receiving His love and forgiveness to allow that to heal us from the inside. And that doesn't happen by just saying, oh, there's a higher power that I don't know that doesn't know me from moving away from self which is a good thing. But the real ultimate feeling the next level healing, the cleansing happens from our Creator and our Savior who wants to save us and transform us and redeem us and restore us. And that's when I realized that someone who wasn't following Jesus until I was 35 years old, and realized, oh, it makes so much sense. Separation happened in the garden. The Old Testament story is a story of separation, Adam and Eve in the garden, separating from each other and from God. relationally and God is the God of relationships. God is all about relationships. God isn't relationship Father, Son, Holy Spirit is relational. To think about it when you heal. The relationship of God is healing. Use your healing in the relationship you have with God who is a relationship so of course he would heal you through relationships of others as well and himself. So the goal now was it was the restoration. And Jesus comes 1000s years later, it's the story of Adam and Eve. But you can know that the the separation that happened and then Jesus is all about oneness was storing you back to the Creator like taking your burden taking your pain, taking your sin, taking your shame and guilt, taking it all giving you history, you know becoming one spirit with joy to the Lord with one spirit and in that love and forgiveness Now Healing you that makes so much sense like, again this is not about religion. This is like what's the problem separation? What's the solution? Love and forgiveness, okay? There's inflammation of the soul which is holding on to shame and guilt. How do you heal the body? We have to remove inflammation. Alright, there's always a system of removing inflammation God provides for it. How did he provide to the inflammation of our soul at the spiritual level? Jesus he comes in removes the inflammation and the love and forgiveness allows the healing to take place. It makes so much sense.
Speaker 1 15:36
That's fantastic. I mean, one of the best explanation I've heard I think of integrating addiction recovery concepts with the gospel. Really, really amazing. Like you and I both know that when you have a message that's public facing, sometimes people think that because you have the message, you got it all figured out. And granted like you've done your work and not to negate the work you've done, but you shouldn't really powerful story about the separation between you and marriage and how not to work on your heart. You mentioned earlier couples that pray together, stay together that really quickly. I heard you say the first time a couple months back and my wife hadn't prayed every night since then. It's been really helpful for us. So I have to thank for that. But can you share the story of it because I think it's, I think all ties together a little bit.
Speaker 2 16:02
It ties a big time together because I want people to know I call it my soul. I'm not perfect. I'm not Jesus. I'm definitely not God. It's so funny because I teach this and the other day I was walking and as I'm walking on the phone, they will trucking my old loud and noisy interrupting my conversation and I yelled at the truck. myself just go to truck. And I read the book. It's not about the outside. It's always about the inside but the outside to affect me in that moment. I was believing the lie that anything outside me can impact how I feel we often fall for the lie. And years ago, I was definitely facing the battle in a big way and I was losing the battle my mind last year, anxiety, doubt worry, I had a hole that needed to heal to add a lot of shame and guilt I had. I had issues in the past I had unresolved things I never dealt with. And so I spent my life really my marriage. So now I'm 31 years old, and you know, my friends leave because I'm miserable and negative and being negative with her and she didn't know about this at the time, but she knows that I wasn't being you know, just to be a husband and a father. I was looking outside my marriage for validation. See, I felt separate. So now I'm looking for validation outside to fill the hole in my soul. Instead of going to God I was going to others. When I say cheating. I want people to like there's different levels of cheating. I didn't I didn't do the big cheating as you might think. But I still cheated and was still wrong. It was still since I want to make that clear image of me. And if you've done that and you've been there I don't have any judgment. You either because it's all the same. It's all it's all looking at like your marriage, it's all betrayal. And that was me and I wasn't a follower of Jesus at the time. I hadn't healed in a lot of ways. And my wife had enough of it. But then I'm four years old, and I told you the truth. I told her when it happened that men were walking on the beach when they might get this type of guy to tell her how to tell her how to tell her not to make myself feel better, but because it was something in the way of our marriage was causing separation. So we weren't individuals connected we could be and telling my wife wouldn't happen. She first tried to punch me want to leave me she was angry and betrayed and hurt and then wanted to divorce me it was actually getting a divorce as a client but that was so long ago. I became a follower of Jesus 3536 So it changed my life in many ways. My heart, my soul, everything with me change what I write about knowing the one that's going to separate as I went through that the renewing of my mind start to happen like different Erwin McManus who's a very well known pastor who led me to Jesus. And now we're like best friends. Yeah, he's like you become so much wiser. He's seen firsthand like he even talked about the one shoe the other day the airport, we're hanging out together going somewhere and he said, it's an amazing I like you're a great steward to this message because you lived it. And you've really gone from separateness to oneness yourself. And Jesus has healed you and renewed your mind amazing ways. You're able to write these books that you can write and do this work that you're doing it to get these incredible insights that have happened to my prayer time I surrendered to Him, I trust him. So I've gone from separate toward this back to my wife, she's gonna leave and I'm gonna go to play. And this guy literally was a stranger, but I started to pour my heart out to this guy about my wife is gonna leave me what was going on and he was speaking again, I'm now a successful writer and speaker that my best selling books of speaking still in the way it was, which is great. And I'm telling you about what I'm going through. Like, can you believe she wants to be that guy anymore? I achieved so much as a completely different person completely, has totally transformed my heart. Soul, which is what he doesn't go out. And he said, You know what my wife and I do we pray every night before that. He said, it's changed our marriage. We just had a prayer every night and told me a prayer. I didn't remember it. I remember praying to God, God, what prayer should I say with Catherine before we go to bed, give me a prayer to God literally give you a prayer. And I really got it right away. It was gonna be about up to our marriage, to love us to unite us to heal us distributors to be strong together and serve you and raise children that glorify and honor you guys. And I start saying that every night Well, first I sat on the couch, and then I made my way back to the bench with my wife. But she would not talk to me. So they were laying there. They literally got two clusters. They don't even think about it. And so now we're just staying there. And I would say before that not knowing that she was actually listening. I said, Wow. And then she started to listen, she said, at first we didn't listen, to listen, and then she heard it. Then she told me that she read now that as I was saying it, it was dark, so I didn't see it. So she wanted to get that she wanted to heal. And then one day probably after like two weeks, she grabbed my hands. And she said that was the day she chose to forgive me. That was the day of healing and everything after that, everything. And that's when we started seeing the prayer together out loud every night doing it ever since. Our marriage has improved so much by praying together like that. And then also, we had the realization of the revelation that we need to have a covenant, not marriage. vows when accompanied with God and we would be faithful to each other and God, so we should not each other ever in their lives in the future. We struck by lightning with the Creator of the universe and each other, and that was binding us together. And I mean God the center of our marriage of our prayer life of the covenant, and really just making the center do his work to do his mission to be one together with him and with each other. And now here we are 20 years together 26 years of marriage than ever. That's 13 years after that happened after she almost left me and we were better than ever because of that experience and what you uncovered, God will cover with me so you have an addiction. You know this and you stop denying and you uncover it and I will start to cover it with his race, what we cover, and we hide and guilt and shame. God will eventually uncover and it won't be good. So it's always good to be uncovered even though it's painful at first, but then allow healing to take place. see so many men and women when we have our issues, our challenges of our of our past. It's painful to expose it and it's why we don't expose them. It's why we don't get healed. A walk with God as you want to get he's going to expose your wounds. He's gonna allow you to feel pain, but we spent billions of dollars avoiding pain. I mean that that was prescription drugs to avoid pain, because we don't like to be in pain. So that's why we actually never go through the healing process. You got to go through the pain process in order to heal but God is not going to let you walk through life without feeling experiencing and exposing it so the healing can take place. So it's like a we move the band aid off and then from there can be painful, but that's when healing can start to take place. So I went through that pain and we all must go through it. But then God to allow his healing magic and healing work of love and forgiveness. To go through it. I want to tell people it's really painful. But allow yourself to go through the process of doing that uncover it, address the issue, sharing openly shared openly, you are powerful. You're no longer powerless. No one can attack you when you share it. I'm sharing my wounds right here. I'm sharing when I've done this what I'm telling you I'm not perfect. So you can say anything to me and I have nothing to hide. I have nowhere to hide and I've no need to hide. So knowing that gives you a tremendous sense of power. And that allows you to experience the connection with God and having that that blockade between YouTube. Now you're connected, all that was was dissolved, and now you can become one. And that's when real healing takes place in the trust and renewal of that of that of that relationship you have with it. So that's what happened to me having my wife and it's only been upward from there by being open and honest about the challenges that will take place. Yeah, that's fantastic. And that's a good word about pain too. Like I I really believe remainders are only as strong as his ability to confront his own pain and how much they will do their selling to just because we we medicate and we avoid like you were saying, addiction is medication, any form so we're really actually using this medication to numb out it did not feel the pain that we feel are the low state of mind that we have like I wrote the one truth, everything to avoid the looks that you have and the discomfort caused you to seek out solutions and all the other ways so to be addition is so simple and understanding I'm not saying it's easy. You I got harder and harder the process, especially when you've been through addiction for a long time even addicted and there's a physical component to it. And every other every other thing that hold you back but I do know that through the cleansing of Jesus of love and forgiveness, allowing that witness to those who trusted for overtime, can know that any addiction can be healed. If you're willing to confront it will feel the pain and allow for the healing and receive the healing. One final thing that I think so often because you've done something wrong because you feel shame and guilt, you don't feel worthy to receive the healing. But the truth is, God thinks you're worthy already and God loves you not for what you've done, but for who you are. And you are worthy and and that worthiness and that's enough he's ready to kill you at a moment's notice. So we're seeds receive the healing that God wants to give you don't don't turn away. So many people think they deserve it. So they never allow it and never happened and never Receive it. Receive the healing that God wants to keep with me. Oh my god. You want to heal me? I'm ready. Let's go. I receive it. I say don't send me that this day. God, I've seen your healing. I received your wisdom I received your guidance I received you would never receive your restoration. And now you're looking to God not a substitute for the eye that make you feel better. Yeah, and it's so refreshing to have been one of the others. It's okay. You'll never feel a spiritual void with physical things. While never feel a spiritual way. With physical things. We always try to deal with all this stuff. And what you really want is the Spirit of God.
Speaker 1 23:29
Yeah, that's so well said. Yeah, just just incredible. I can't think of a more appropriate message for the DNA up on the scope of what we're doing here with addictions and all that because we're still the only one we are so separated and thank you. Thanks for just writing this and everything you've gone through. If people want to connect more with you, they want to find out what you're up to what's the best way for them to do that, John? Well, first of all, people get a feeling lonely,
Speaker 2 23:44
disconnected, reach out to others, and join the community. join a support group join. An organization that helps people can put connects people in that relationship, you'll find healing, but remember, if you lie to God about yourself, you also lied to them. So any group is only as good as you being willing to confront yourself when dealing with yourself. Or with others and when you're truthful. You can have support each other so I don't want to be alone. I don't want to be the skeptic news groups that are willing to move away from separatism and towards the community connection and healing to take place. Definitely. For me if I get younger that kind of J gordon.com. Instagram, Twitter at Joe and Gordon 11 threads is out now. So I'm dreading going 11 as well. And I have no judgment. We're on a journey. Wherever you are with your defense. Guess what? I understand it, I get it. And there's nothing wrong with you. There's nothing broken. You've just allowed the separation to take hold. And you believe in the case get back to the truth. The one truth nijman That I would encourage you I know you're going to find such great insight and it has nothing to be the goal of it is to move you towards the oneness in a relationship with a creator for the most of I hope you do that and find that you need that you can't do on your own, none of us that are better together. And that together we accomplish amazing things. And none of us can do it without our Creator loves us.
Speaker 1 24:52
So we'll put links in the in the show notes everything. Just listen to you were saying this earlier by saying forget that God is more excited about our healing and our recovery than even we are trying to get them on board. He's already like the wheels are in motion we just need to hop on board and enjoy the momentum he started off so thank you so much for your time today for this speech even in appreciate. Appreciate you and
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again thank God at that moment like when when when we find our way back. Welcome back and waiting for you. Yes, that's right. Yeah, you
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can go anywhere. Thank you again, we're cheering you on. Thank you my brother. Alrighty Well hey, that's pretty good as you catch this guy, his crystal clear his communication. Absolutely phenomenal the work he does and I highly recommend you guys go get his book The One Truth I got my I'm loving it and I know that you will too. And if you were listening to my interview with John and you're saying, You know what, this is the home oh my gosh, isolated, I'm alone. I'm separate. I'm disconnected. I need to get connected again. I want to be plugged into my religion with God, but also in my relationships with the people that I love that that did the most to me. Well, this is your chance to do it. I have a program called TP that helps me get to the root of porn addiction. And if you know that it's time to quit pornography. It's time to build back relationships with God. If your loved ones it's time to really get your life on track and get things in place. This is your chance to do it my friend. And so there's a link in the show notes below book a call with somebody on our team. I want you to go ahead and do that. And just you know on these calls, you're gonna find out more about what we do. We want to find out more about your situation we're gonna seek to help and hopefully in the process, we're gonna explore solutions together to help you get to the root of the issue with God continuing relationships, and really walk inferences and everything like that basically. So the link is in the show notes. John's book, the one shoe that's available on all major platforms. Thank you so much for listening I so appreciate it and honestly interviews like they make all of this worth it. So obviously got some value. Please make sure that you were sharing this with people in your circles most by the way as much as we can, especially the guests like this. And so share it with your leaders, your pastors, your friends. Your family, roommates, anybody that you think would benefit from what we did just say, please share the word with them. Tell them your favorite part about it. That'd be the world's us. Thank you. Let me talk for listening guys will tune you want to have a nice day with us. Everybody is at the attentive thanks for listening to unleash the man with him. I wanted to take a quick moment to let you know about a free ebook that I wrote for you ultimate guide to recovery it provides a basic framework for the recovery process and a few tips completely free of charge. You can get it now it'll be WW ultimate recovery. guide.com that's www ultimate recovery guide.com. Now if you've been impacted by the podcast and you want to show some support in less than 60 seconds, there are three ways you can do that. First, you can leave a rating or review on your podcast platform, but as people like you know the content here is valuable. Secondly, you can share this episode with someone in your life that might benefit from the content. You're passionate about helping other people achieve freedom and success in their lives. This is one of the easiest ways to do that. And lastly, you can subscribe. I personally only listen to podcasts that I subscribe to daily guidance and insight in your recovery journey.
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